1 00:00:11,130 --> 00:00:15,770 Oh 2 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:20,860 sit 3 00:00:26,050 --> 00:00:23,990 hello Richard Saunders here from Sydney 4 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:26,060 Australia welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:33,650 --> 00:00:28,650 episode number eight for the twelfth of 6 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:33,660 December 2008 a special episode a blast 7 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:36,600 from the past in the old days when this 8 00:00:41,930 --> 00:00:38,309 show used to be called the skeptic tank 9 00:00:45,290 --> 00:00:41,940 we interviewed mark mayor way back in 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:45,300 2005 he's a melbourne magician and an 11 00:00:51,820 --> 00:00:47,850 investigator he investigated the claims 12 00:01:02,330 --> 00:00:51,830 of psychic detectives and in particular 13 00:01:08,610 --> 00:01:05,790 mark mayor is a melbourne-based mind 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:08,620 illusionist mark began performing magic 15 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:10,570 professionally at cafe crypt in 16 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:12,880 exhibition street in melbourne he now 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:14,650 performs at leading corporate and 18 00:01:18,780 --> 00:01:17,050 private events nationally in his 19 00:01:21,210 --> 00:01:18,790 performance he explores the mysteries of 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:21,220 the human mind and brings together a mix 21 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:26,170 of humor magic ESP and mine reading mark 22 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:27,550 has appeared on national television 23 00:01:33,090 --> 00:01:30,070 including a Current Affair mornings with 24 00:01:35,490 --> 00:01:33,100 carrie Ann good morning Australia and in 25 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:35,500 Siberia tonight as well as numerous 26 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:38,110 radio stations major daily newspapers 27 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:41,710 magazines and websites before making 28 00:01:47,249 --> 00:01:44,800 magic his life mark was a Qantas airline 29 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:47,259 pilot he now combines a pilot's 30 00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:49,390 fastidiousness with a performer's 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:52,270 flamboyance to great effect and presents 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:01:54,970 his mind illusions in his own unique and 33 00:02:02,430 --> 00:01:59,770 trademark style and joining us here is 34 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:02,440 Melbourne illusionist mark Maya hey Mark 35 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:04,000 great to see you that we better get 36 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:05,740 stuck into the subject psychic 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:08,200 detectives and I believe that you you 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:09,970 have been researching the subject to 39 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:11,890 some extent well i have written years 40 00:02:17,130 --> 00:02:14,590 specifically a twin one called miss 41 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:17,140 Allison Dubois or as we like to call it 42 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:19,930 Allison dubious she's been the top 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:22,209 favorite right now of the media and one 44 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:23,410 of the most famous in the world right 45 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:25,630 now calling herself a psychic detective 46 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:27,910 and so yes I did some research in some 47 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:30,910 detailed debunking of her for a recent 48 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:32,350 trip out here to Australia she was out 49 00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:34,209 here promoting her book called don't 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:36,580 kiss them goodbye so I thought that was 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:38,170 particularly distasteful and that the 52 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,730 public needed to have a little bit more 53 00:02:43,650 --> 00:02:41,680 of a balanced view of what she was about 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:43,660 and what the TV show is about and what 55 00:02:48,060 --> 00:02:45,970 generally psychic detectives claim and 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:48,070 what they claim to be able to do and 57 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:49,810 sort of hopefully protect people with a 58 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:51,730 little bit more general knowledge about 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:53,650 the whole thing so yeah I noticed that 60 00:02:58,410 --> 00:02:55,570 there Allison devar when she was here of 61 00:03:00,930 --> 00:02:58,420 last month or the month before she 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:00,940 certainly had a lot of media interviews 63 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:03,250 lined up and she'd participated in a lot 64 00:03:08,729 --> 00:03:05,920 of peers and she also hid from a few to 65 00:03:11,339 --> 00:03:08,739 Richard really yeah I had a little bit 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:11,349 of a media profile going myself i had i 67 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:12,730 think ideas about seven or eight 68 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:13,720 interviews 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:16,270 over radio a number of them were 70 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:18,610 supposed to be at the same time with 71 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:20,590 Allison I was supposed to be on Jon 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:22,000 Faine show with Allison but 73 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:23,530 unfortunately the scheduling that didn't 74 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:25,600 come to fruition and there was two other 75 00:03:29,850 --> 00:03:28,150 ABC radio interviews but we were 76 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:29,860 supposed to be on at the same time and 77 00:03:33,510 --> 00:03:31,330 had a little head to head however 78 00:03:35,850 --> 00:03:33,520 mysteriously she got sick from both of 79 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:35,860 those interviews it Oh didn't wasn't 80 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:38,320 able to participate but yes there was 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:39,850 quite a bit of media interest in was 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:42,010 unfortunately all very soft interest 83 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:44,290 they gave her a completely free ride 84 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:46,330 without any critical interviewing at all 85 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:49,030 the her series of TV shows which was 86 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:51,700 called medium was based on a basically a 87 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:53,500 series of misleading claims in the 88 00:03:57,900 --> 00:03:55,840 innuendo and that was all done to create 89 00:04:00,540 --> 00:03:57,910 a false position of credibility and 90 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:00,550 authority it means that the series was 91 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:02,470 created by her claiming that she's 92 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:04,060 worked with police and claiming that 93 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:06,370 she's a criminal profiler claiming she's 94 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:08,770 a research medium and then those claims 95 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:10,360 not being really questioned or anything 96 00:04:15,810 --> 00:04:12,730 and from those claims then being able to 97 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:15,820 make a false credibility like I'm an 98 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:17,530 authority on this subject and then from 99 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:19,359 there a whole TV network in studio 100 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:22,030 making a show about it however the real 101 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:24,400 Feynman profile is created on or the 102 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:27,010 truth of her show medium is created on 103 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:29,350 basically lies and deception and it 104 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:31,450 really quickly unravels if you put a 105 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:33,610 little bit of scrutiny to it she as most 106 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:35,440 of the psychic detectives offers not a 107 00:04:39,719 --> 00:04:37,870 single shred of verifiable evidence and 108 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:39,729 I can get specifically to some evidence 109 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:41,470 that she does claim to have in her book 110 00:04:45,090 --> 00:04:43,990 don't kiss them goodbye right which will 111 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:45,100 come back to which is a really 112 00:04:48,659 --> 00:04:46,990 interesting piece it ends up being the 113 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:48,669 same ol anecdotal stories and accounts 114 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:50,710 made up by her and her associates with 115 00:04:54,690 --> 00:04:52,630 no actual folder proof the media 116 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:54,700 especially the tabloid media the last 117 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:55,810 thing they're going to do is question 118 00:04:59,190 --> 00:04:57,610 that as far as they're concerned it's 119 00:05:00,960 --> 00:04:59,200 it's absolutely true well it's 120 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:00,970 absolutely true and plus it's great for 121 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:02,290 business see this is one of my 122 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:03,970 contentions with the psychic industry 123 00:05:07,950 --> 00:05:06,310 psychic phenomena throughout history is 124 00:05:10,590 --> 00:05:07,960 a wonderful business and now with our 125 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:10,600 modern media with radio television 126 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:13,870 Internet and reality TV etc etc psychic 127 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:16,690 shows psychic informations anything 128 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:19,030 psychic is big big bucks you look at any 129 00:05:22,830 --> 00:05:21,010 time Oprah has anyone to do a psychic or 130 00:05:25,529 --> 00:05:22,840 connecting other side it's a huge bumper 131 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:25,539 show so the tabloids want to perpetuate 132 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:27,460 any myths and want to perpetuate 133 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:28,990 things like this purely because it's 134 00:05:32,249 --> 00:05:30,160 great for business with no 135 00:05:35,550 --> 00:05:32,259 responsibility really and I must I just 136 00:05:37,589 --> 00:05:35,560 must preface something here I just 137 00:05:41,249 --> 00:05:37,599 remembered everything I'm saying now is 138 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:41,259 preface it with I believe due to any 139 00:05:46,050 --> 00:05:43,930 litigation about anything from the think 140 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:46,060 tank having to bail you out of the High 141 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:48,550 Court of Australia everything I say is I 142 00:05:54,749 --> 00:05:52,090 believe wrong reasons to be true whether 143 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:54,759 them be sued or anything else well the 144 00:05:59,790 --> 00:05:56,710 management staff do not necessarily take 145 00:06:01,409 --> 00:05:59,800 it today exactly so tell me tell me more 146 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:01,419 about what you perceive to be the case 147 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:03,550 obviously three case well alison has two 148 00:06:08,339 --> 00:06:06,580 and most of the psychic detectives are 149 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:08,349 in the same ilk assess I'm not just 150 00:06:11,999 --> 00:06:10,180 talking about our song but most of them 151 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:12,009 claims some very major claims and her 152 00:06:17,219 --> 00:06:14,349 specifically are as follows she claims 153 00:06:20,129 --> 00:06:17,229 to be a criminal profiler and a research 154 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:20,139 medium now both these words are even 155 00:06:23,999 --> 00:06:22,360 carefully chosen to create again as I 156 00:06:26,159 --> 00:06:24,009 said credibility and authority when you 157 00:06:28,529 --> 00:06:26,169 call yourself a criminal profiler that 158 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:28,539 means that you gives the image of I'm 159 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:30,639 someone who knows what criminal 160 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:32,650 profiling means in their forum must be 161 00:06:37,469 --> 00:06:34,180 qualified to do that job she's not a 162 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:37,479 criminal profiler not by the slightest 163 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:39,280 measure of a criminal profile the actual 164 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:41,880 term Kremlin profiler comes from the FBI 165 00:06:47,129 --> 00:06:44,500 they invented that term about 30 years 166 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:47,139 ago and it's very very basic form to 167 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:49,120 call yourself a criminal profiler you 168 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:51,070 have to have studied forensic science or 169 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:53,620 psychology or police investigation 170 00:06:58,170 --> 00:06:56,590 methods and according to the FBI if 171 00:07:00,029 --> 00:06:58,180 you're going to be a criminal profile 172 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:00,039 according to them then you need advanced 173 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:02,680 degrees in forensic science and in 174 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:05,199 behavioral sites plus you need eight to 175 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:07,810 ten years experience as an FBI agent and 176 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:10,090 then if you have all those things the FO 177 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:12,190 still spend another about 500 hours 178 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:14,710 specialist training good heavens well I 179 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:16,300 mean oh she's done all that I'm sure 180 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:17,919 she's done about and according to the 181 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,080 FBI there's only about 30 qualified 182 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:22,000 criminal profilers in the United States 183 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:24,520 she's not a qualified criminal profile 184 00:07:28,379 --> 00:07:26,560 this is what she says I am a profiler 185 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:28,389 blah blah blah blah prophytes the first 186 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:29,680 thing she says in a book those things 187 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:31,930 she says in all her interviews as part 188 00:07:36,269 --> 00:07:33,729 of their claims it's a falsehood and 189 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:36,279 she's not she even gives in her her own 190 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:38,260 book an example of what she concedes is 191 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:40,780 a promo profile on page 31 192 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:42,460 and she outlines this is a criminal 193 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:44,440 profile and that she goes into it saying 194 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:46,210 I had a feeling of connection to 195 00:07:49,950 --> 00:07:48,370 California and they like this and that 196 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:49,960 the other no darling they're not 197 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:51,490 criminal profiles that's a psychic 198 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:53,500 reading a psychic reading is not a 199 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:55,510 criminal profile so the first and 200 00:07:59,820 --> 00:07:57,490 foremost things Allison Dubois is not a 201 00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:59,830 criminal profile nor is any other 202 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:01,360 psychic detective who claims to be a 203 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:04,360 criminal profile yeah it is and it is 204 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:06,310 not in any form or shape or form a 205 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:08,230 forensic a psychological or police 206 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:10,320 investigation or behavioral scientists 207 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:13,300 background so that's just going straight 208 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:16,360 at the window so there are actual proper 209 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:18,310 steps to call yourself these things and 210 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:20,080 this is what I mean is this is the real 211 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:22,960 deception that the tabloids in the media 212 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:25,000 perpetuate and that she wants to create 213 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:26,980 and this is really fundamentally 214 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:28,840 important because some people may see 215 00:08:32,450 --> 00:08:30,520 this as being swept away and not that 216 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:32,460 important but this is the fundamental 217 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:35,020 credibility and authority is everything 218 00:08:38,430 --> 00:08:37,000 in media in credibility and authority is 219 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:38,440 everything when you actually want to 220 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:40,030 talk to someone yeah like someone may 221 00:08:43,469 --> 00:08:41,770 ask me what my credibility or authority 222 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,479 etc etc I need to either prove those 223 00:08:47,430 --> 00:08:45,730 claims or go away and when you just say 224 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:47,440 I'm a criminal profiler it sounds like 225 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:49,510 we understand that the TV show it sort 226 00:08:52,530 --> 00:08:50,980 of looks like that we've seen movies 227 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:52,540 like the profile and we know what that 228 00:08:57,630 --> 00:08:55,420 sort of means wow she's one of those my 229 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:57,640 god that gives her again credibility 230 00:09:01,440 --> 00:08:59,200 authority but it all unravels when you 231 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:01,450 realize it she's not and she also claims 232 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:02,980 and this is the next one get to she has 233 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:05,050 a academic power behind it because of 234 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:07,560 approving of the claims so she has this 235 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:09,820 area good strength of saying I have a 236 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:11,620 lot of people believe me and a lot of 237 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:13,930 powerful people behind me so therefore I 238 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:15,940 have the authority and Colonel boot 239 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:17,830 again to sell this which is just a 240 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:20,410 falsehood it's really really sad and the 241 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:22,450 media mainly work what have challenged 242 00:09:26,850 --> 00:09:24,910 that and those who do actually need to 243 00:09:29,579 --> 00:09:26,860 do a lot of homework to be able to do 244 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:29,589 this so unfortunately unless the media 245 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:32,050 and engage someone like yourself or 246 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:33,790 myself or someone from a think tank or 247 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:35,560 someone who has done some actual 248 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:37,690 credible investigation and research and 249 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:39,700 comes from a position of knowledge they 250 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:41,020 will actually never challenge it in 251 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:42,460 these people successfully because they 252 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:43,750 won't have the depth of knowledge and 253 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:45,550 it's as simple as that I guess they 254 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:47,020 wouldn't know what to ask I wouldn't 255 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:48,490 that's exactly right they would know 256 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:50,140 what to ask and they would not to 257 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:51,400 challenge what they do things that comes 258 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:52,900 to my next point which I'll bring up now 259 00:09:56,610 --> 00:09:54,610 I guess yeah when when she claims 260 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:56,620 to be a research medium and she says 261 00:09:59,940 --> 00:09:57,970 that you know the tests are really hard 262 00:10:01,680 --> 00:09:59,950 etcetera etc she says that she doesn't 263 00:10:02,850 --> 00:10:01,690 get challenged on that point because no 264 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:02,860 one actually knows what the tests are 265 00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:05,260 none of the media interviewers know what 266 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:07,269 those tests are dr. Schwartz's takes up 267 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:09,100 because I haven't seen them I remember 268 00:10:12,389 --> 00:10:10,300 the same thing happened with Uri Geller 269 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:12,399 hmm they don't know what these tests are 270 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:14,620 they don't know so they can't argue so 271 00:10:19,949 --> 00:10:18,370 the media will not produce a balanced 272 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:19,959 point of view or a balanced interview 273 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:21,910 because since they can't do the homework 274 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:23,860 for it right anyhow this is point number 275 00:10:27,930 --> 00:10:26,079 two research medium so she comes out and 276 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:27,940 most of them do but her specifically 277 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:30,100 says I am a criminal profiler point 1 278 00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:33,040 and point 2 i'm a research medium even 279 00:10:36,449 --> 00:10:34,720 those words Richard had chosen really 280 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:36,459 specifically she doesn't call herself 281 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:38,110 just a medium I'm not one of the old 282 00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:40,420 ones from like the 1840s when they 283 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:41,680 started out hearing bumps in the night 284 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:43,450 i'm not one of the old ones who are 285 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:45,430 sitting there dark seance tricking 286 00:10:49,889 --> 00:10:47,410 people with ectoplasm i'm not one of 287 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:49,899 those old ones who have a a room full of 288 00:10:54,389 --> 00:10:51,670 people in the studios screaming out 289 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:54,399 names and stuff no i'm a special medium 290 00:10:59,100 --> 00:10:57,670 i'm a research medium which gives again 291 00:11:02,040 --> 00:10:59,110 as I keep coming back to it I know this 292 00:11:04,740 --> 00:11:02,050 is a recurring theme but it sort of is a 293 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:04,750 theme credibility and authority she's 294 00:11:08,850 --> 00:11:06,730 not just a medium Allison Dubois is a 295 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:08,860 research medium and she claims this 296 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:12,070 because she has scientifically proven 297 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:14,769 psychic abilities that's what she claims 298 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:16,390 anyhow and when you want to research 299 00:11:19,949 --> 00:11:18,070 this a little bit further you find quite 300 00:11:22,319 --> 00:11:19,959 a little bit about her claims of it at 301 00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:22,329 Arizona State University in the 302 00:11:28,769 --> 00:11:24,640 victorious I can't quite pronounced 303 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:28,779 adverse v ER I TAS research program over 304 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:30,310 the last number of years for years i 305 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:32,290 think was she scored between a 70 306 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:34,810 porpoise to a ninety percent accuracy on 307 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:37,890 all her tests Wow which sounds very 308 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:41,050 impressive here's a little detail that 309 00:11:44,509 --> 00:11:42,910 she doesn't tell you in any of heard of 310 00:11:46,829 --> 00:11:44,519 using that none of the media know 311 00:11:50,189 --> 00:11:46,839 Allison plays an active role in 312 00:11:52,259 --> 00:11:50,199 directing and executing the tests so 313 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:52,269 that's an analogy of let's have a bunch 314 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:54,070 of schoolboys like well I was a 315 00:11:59,340 --> 00:11:55,870 beautiful perfect school boy what I was 316 00:12:03,540 --> 00:11:59,350 15 yeah and let me set the test with my 317 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:03,550 friends then let me supervise us doing 318 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:06,370 the test and then let me mark the test 319 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:07,570 later 320 00:12:12,010 --> 00:12:10,490 do you think i might get between 74 and 321 00:12:13,510 --> 00:12:12,020 ninety percent accuracy I think that was 322 00:12:15,970 --> 00:12:13,520 my mistake in high school maybe I 323 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:15,980 shoulda known look I know I'm being a 324 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:17,690 bit facetious but this is actually buy 325 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:20,210 her own words if you look at a herb this 326 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:22,130 is not stuff I'm making up if you look 327 00:12:28,389 --> 00:12:25,310 at the last page of her book in her own 328 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:28,399 handwriting here says Alison takes an 329 00:12:32,139 --> 00:12:29,810 active role in the direction and 330 00:12:34,449 --> 00:12:32,149 execution of the tests so this is not 331 00:12:36,910 --> 00:12:34,459 just me making this up I can verify this 332 00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:36,920 in her own words that firstly puts the 333 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:38,870 scientifically proven so Billy's into 334 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:40,670 question yeah but let's look at who does 335 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:42,980 these tests we have a man called dr. 336 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:46,600 Schwartz and I'll preface this I believe 337 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:49,550 dr. Schwartz I believe dr. Shores to be 338 00:12:54,010 --> 00:12:52,399 a crackpot now let's assume I believe is 339 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:54,020 that a technical term that is a 340 00:12:57,130 --> 00:12:56,000 technical term that's when you get a pot 341 00:12:58,560 --> 00:12:57,140 full of hot water and drop it into 342 00:13:01,329 --> 00:12:58,570 cracks and then everything leaks out 343 00:13:03,460 --> 00:13:01,339 just like someone if they had a leaky 344 00:13:06,579 --> 00:13:03,470 brain anyway I'm not going to become 345 00:13:08,769 --> 00:13:06,589 into name calling extra but he's a funny 346 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:08,779 man to put it nicely dr. Schwartz is 347 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:12,080 very academically qualified PhD that 348 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:13,790 means he's academically in his book 349 00:13:17,260 --> 00:13:15,440 smarts that's fine that's very good up 350 00:13:20,019 --> 00:13:17,270 to Schwartz has an emotional and 351 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:20,029 financial investment into these tests he 352 00:13:23,410 --> 00:13:21,650 has emotional because when you read his 353 00:13:25,390 --> 00:13:23,420 interviews etc you know that well he 354 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:25,400 wants a success in his test no research 355 00:13:28,930 --> 00:13:27,290 scientist wants to do tests and 356 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:28,940 containers who fail so he has an 357 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:30,830 emotional investment and he has also a 358 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:34,540 financial investment and that also has a 359 00:13:38,769 --> 00:13:36,800 well a slant on this scientifically 360 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:38,779 proven psychic abilities he's as a 361 00:13:43,329 --> 00:13:40,430 financial investment because two things 362 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:43,339 one if this tests aren't valid or don't 363 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:44,930 come up with ensure accuracy well the 364 00:13:49,660 --> 00:13:46,310 test get cancelled you don't get funding 365 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:49,670 and also he has a plane to investment 366 00:13:52,449 --> 00:13:50,810 cause he has a number of books he wants 367 00:13:54,190 --> 00:13:52,459 to sell he has his own lectures he wants 368 00:13:56,290 --> 00:13:54,200 to sell so you do not have an 369 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:56,300 independent person without an emotional 370 00:13:59,860 --> 00:13:58,490 financial investment testing her for a 371 00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:59,870 start that's the first part of dr. 372 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:01,760 Schwartz let's look at these tests this 373 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:03,320 is really really important this is a 374 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:05,510 real crux of the matter anyone can be 375 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:08,510 tested but how they test him firstly 376 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:10,100 when they meet dr. Schwartz they have to 377 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:12,290 do a reading on dr. Schwartz and then 378 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:13,790 from there if he decides that they're 379 00:14:18,130 --> 00:14:15,620 pretty good or whatever they'll go on to 380 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:18,140 further tests now her first test with 381 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:20,910 him is is accounted in her book 382 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:23,250 and also numerous other places she sat 383 00:14:26,780 --> 00:14:24,720 down with him and did a cold reading on 384 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:26,790 him and mentioned that someone or friend 385 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:29,420 of his there had died didn't walk alone 386 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:33,270 from this he interprets that ah that 387 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:36,030 means my friend who died who was in a 388 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:38,490 wheelchair blah blah blah blah didn't 389 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:40,980 even walk who didn't even walk now again 390 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:43,860 he's doing the the general as most of 391 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:45,480 our listeners will know the cold reading 392 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:47,400 The Sitter makes the information fit 393 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:49,470 he's doing he she's doing essentially 394 00:14:52,730 --> 00:14:50,970 basic cold reading and he's falling for 395 00:14:54,350 --> 00:14:52,740 it but he wants it to work and it does 396 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:54,360 work because he can make her little 397 00:14:58,010 --> 00:14:56,130 statements fit into it so that's the 398 00:14:59,330 --> 00:14:58,020 first part of the test okay the second 399 00:15:01,580 --> 00:14:59,340 part of the test now which is really 400 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:01,590 important is that they do score a 401 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:04,650 babysitter sittings sitters and then the 402 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:06,600 cities have to rate their readings she 403 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:08,490 said on the John Wayne show Allison 404 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:10,590 Dubois and the sitters don't mark easily 405 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:13,530 they mark very hard well i would like to 406 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:15,690 contest that statement by reading 407 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:18,300 something to you from mr. Schwab dr. 408 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:21,630 Schwartz's own test and member allison 409 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:23,160 just said that the people do not mark 410 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:26,010 hard i'll give you some examples if the 411 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:28,290 medium says the cause of death was 412 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:31,170 drowning yeah and in actuality the cause 413 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:33,330 of death was drowning this is called a 414 00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:35,880 hit right and the sitters aren't allowed 415 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:37,620 to just answer yes that was close to 416 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:40,620 know they are bound to go by these fees 417 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:43,500 or scoring's okay yeah okay the medium 418 00:15:47,210 --> 00:15:45,210 says I'll to say Allison and then also 419 00:15:50,060 --> 00:15:47,220 sittercity not I'm saying Allison says 420 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:50,070 the cause of death was drowning however 421 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:52,520 the cause of death was pulmonary edema 422 00:15:58,940 --> 00:15:55,710 pneumonia or emphysema this is called a 423 00:16:01,160 --> 00:15:58,950 fit-again well as incorrect but with a 424 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:01,170 mild interpretation now I don't know 425 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:02,850 whose decision that is a modern 426 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,950 interpretation on this is where science 427 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:07,380 goes straight up a window because a mild 428 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:09,840 interpretation his an arbitrary is a 429 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:11,190 subjective thing that they're making up 430 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:13,590 now okay let's come move on if Allison 431 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:15,450 says the cause of death was drowning but 432 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:18,030 the deceased died in a bathtub but not 433 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:20,010 from drowning ie maybe she had a head 434 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:21,360 shot off with a shotgun but was in a 435 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:23,160 bathtub that's called a fit as well 436 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:25,710 that's called correct I see so 437 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:27,930 dehydration it's really hard to miss it 438 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:29,550 well I'll keep going and i'll give you 439 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:31,650 answer that if allison says the cause of 440 00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:33,330 death was drowning but the cause of 441 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:34,560 death was an 442 00:16:40,070 --> 00:16:37,110 in direct calls from a terrible 443 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:40,080 rainstorm okay example you're driving a 444 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:41,760 car training a crashing tree and birth 445 00:16:45,950 --> 00:16:43,800 to death burn to death but Arsene said 446 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:45,960 you'd cause of death was drowning then 447 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:48,930 that is correct with a stretch of 448 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:52,200 interpretation a stretch yeah mighty big 449 00:16:56,810 --> 00:16:54,570 stretch stretch if the cause if Allison 450 00:16:58,130 --> 00:16:56,820 says the person died of drowning but it 451 00:17:02,180 --> 00:16:58,140 was a close friend and not the person 452 00:17:04,579 --> 00:17:02,190 named then it was a fit other I don't 453 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:04,589 know what I beans I'd if the it is as if 454 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:06,300 the cause of death if she says it was 455 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:08,550 the person drowned but the the person 456 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:11,160 died of lymphoma well then that wasn't a 457 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:13,260 fit and if you do the maths here it 458 00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:15,420 comes up that eighty-four percent of the 459 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:17,339 statement is correct so as you just said 460 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:19,050 it's very hard to get it wrong so that 461 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,329 means if Allison said the person died of 462 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:24,240 drowning eighty-four percent of anything 463 00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:27,449 will count as a yes good and now I bring 464 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:29,000 you back to the first thing I said 465 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:32,630 research medium irritability authority 466 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:35,070 scientifically proven psychic abilities 467 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:37,650 Allison on John fan radius said that 468 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:39,480 they rake really hard and it's not easy 469 00:17:43,850 --> 00:17:41,940 well I can test that Allison I rate a 470 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:43,860 eighty-four percent of what you say 471 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:46,050 could be clicked as correct so does 472 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:47,910 matter what she sits you also could say 473 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,860 anything so how they really want her to 474 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,360 pass a test I wanted a pass there's 475 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:53,520 nowhere and fail a test like that and if 476 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:54,810 sharing its thirty-four percent right in 477 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:55,860 that I think she's doing very poorly 478 00:18:02,540 --> 00:17:58,610 let's ignore all that let's ignore that 479 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:02,550 she she also says and now I'm like I'm 480 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:04,020 gonna put you on the spot here she also 481 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:06,810 says that she's worked with the Texas 482 00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:08,940 Rangers now how can you dispute that 483 00:18:13,790 --> 00:18:12,360 well she does and the only way to 484 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:13,800 dispute that is to ask the test arrange 485 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:16,410 themselves which I did oh you did yes oh 486 00:18:20,419 --> 00:18:17,700 I spoke to the public information 487 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:20,429 officer Lisa block and they stated 488 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:22,230 flatly that they'd never work with her 489 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:26,160 in subsequent askings alison has said 490 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,220 yes I have and they met me there and it 491 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:31,500 was just like the TV show well this has 492 00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:34,010 to come back down to she said he said 493 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:36,120 Allison claims that she's worked for the 494 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:37,860 Texas Rangers the Texas Rangers 495 00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:40,350 themselves say no we never did you've 496 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:42,600 gotta decide to believe someone well I 497 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:44,990 wonder who I would leave in it yeah 498 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:47,030 especially when it comes up again when 499 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:48,679 she said she worked for the Glendale 500 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:51,290 Police yeah and the public information 501 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:52,970 officer there Michael penis as we also 502 00:18:59,500 --> 00:18:55,760 have him work with her as well she also 503 00:19:01,030 --> 00:18:59,510 said she was training to be a district 504 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:01,040 attorney for the Maricopa County 505 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,410 Attorney's Office she wasn't she was an 506 00:19:08,049 --> 00:19:05,600 intern working for the Maricopa County's 507 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,059 office as a paper shuffler and that's 508 00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:09,679 where it all started because she wasn't 509 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:11,990 she wasn't studying law she was studying 510 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:14,510 history I've got it here somewhere in my 511 00:19:18,190 --> 00:19:16,040 little ideas I can't remember exactly 512 00:19:20,350 --> 00:19:18,200 she was studying I think history and 513 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:20,360 something else and I should know this up 514 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:22,040 by heart but I don't notice about she 515 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:24,170 wasn't studying law but she was working 516 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:25,850 in the office doing paperwork and 517 00:19:31,419 --> 00:19:29,809 handling photos of victims of crime that 518 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:31,429 she suddenly got these flashes and how 519 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:32,780 she suddenly knew where the bodies were 520 00:19:36,370 --> 00:19:33,890 in a letter of stuff that's what the 521 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:36,380 story goes it also amazes me that after 522 00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:39,170 her her world would tour of Australia it 523 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:41,240 don't haven't heard a peep not a few I 524 00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:42,890 mean was all the crimes she's just 525 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:44,600 solved in the last week and I live eggs 526 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:46,370 at exactly well that's exactly think the 527 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:49,250 whole TV so is made up of the first one 528 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:51,110 and in the second the first show which 529 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:52,610 was a Texas Rangers in the second show 530 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,710 which was the glendale police after that 531 00:19:59,620 --> 00:19:56,960 they're all loosely based on things that 532 00:20:01,480 --> 00:19:59,630 happened in her life well I'd say what 533 00:20:03,130 --> 00:20:01,490 things things she dreamt up things that 534 00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:03,140 they're not based on fact at all look 535 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:04,520 there's a few things interesting about 536 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:06,200 her and psychic digs i'm a should cover 537 00:20:10,030 --> 00:20:08,630 just quickly for you ok yep in my 538 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,040 opinion and this is again as i believe 539 00:20:14,049 --> 00:20:11,840 that these psychic to her in the others 540 00:20:15,549 --> 00:20:14,059 deliberately target high-profile cases 541 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:15,559 for a game their own credibility and 542 00:20:19,419 --> 00:20:17,330 authority and particularly missing 543 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:19,429 persons of victims of violent crime this 544 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:21,110 sells really well to the public that 545 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,110 sells really well to hell I guess 546 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:25,520 fascination yeah I sent with death and 547 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,110 dying else it's not someone close to us 548 00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:28,880 so they make good money out of it and 549 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:31,429 often the best heart strings to pull her 550 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:33,710 children and you'll notice with the 551 00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:35,870 Beaumont children Daniel mikone common 552 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,660 Chan they've all done these cases on 553 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:40,400 that other disgusting program sensing 554 00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:43,490 murder however no one's been found no 555 00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:45,620 one's been there's been no television 556 00:20:49,810 --> 00:20:47,780 follow-up saying WOW from Carmen Chan 557 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:49,820 show from sensing murder with your sound 558 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:51,470 from that evidence these shows are 559 00:20:55,030 --> 00:20:53,090 self-evident that they're full of 560 00:20:57,130 --> 00:20:55,040 rubbish because there has been any fault 561 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:57,140 of any discovery no nothing approving 562 00:21:00,640 --> 00:20:58,370 themselves if it 563 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:00,650 strangely quiet I've although sensing 564 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:03,650 murder shows there's been a you'd think 565 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:05,300 they'd come back and say well it's been 566 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,250 two years now since the first episode 567 00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:09,200 Angie we haven't found a damn thing damn 568 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:11,630 thing and the thought of the dreadful 569 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:13,160 thing about this apart from the 570 00:21:18,130 --> 00:21:15,020 so-called info entertainment that this 571 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:18,140 ends up being those that desperate and 572 00:21:22,450 --> 00:21:20,630 emotional a thing they're hanging by 573 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:22,460 this terrible thread hoping that maybe 574 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:24,200 there's something to have here people 575 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:25,880 forget for a moment and when you're 576 00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:27,470 watching psychic detectives or seeing us 577 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:29,180 in de guerre this is not the real thing 578 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:30,830 about this that there are people out 579 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:32,690 there suffering probably the most 580 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:34,610 dreadful grief there is of their 581 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:36,230 children or their wives or daughters 582 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:38,510 missing or murdered by people unknown 583 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:40,790 and then waiting to find out what 584 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:42,679 happened and these people are left in 585 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:45,050 this desperate emotional state and this 586 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:48,350 a vulnerable situation and these psychic 587 00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,850 detectives are claiming all sorts of 588 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:51,679 things and exploiting them to the max 589 00:21:56,620 --> 00:21:54,650 which is just so grateful and they say 590 00:21:58,810 --> 00:21:56,630 we don't do it for a fee of course they 591 00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:58,820 don't they do it for profile and they 592 00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,800 get such a profile out of it you look at 593 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:02,480 any of the women's magazines etc there's 594 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:03,980 both those guys Russell whatever his 595 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:06,860 name is etc making themselves famous and 596 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:08,570 make themselves wealthy out of these 597 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:10,610 people's misery and pain which i think 598 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:14,510 is just so aghast to anybody who's not 599 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:16,340 sure but you know that misery and pain 600 00:22:20,650 --> 00:22:18,650 have always sold well and they do i do 601 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:20,660 but i mean i've got nothing against a 602 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:22,100 good horror movie because you can choose 603 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,790 to go to that or a scary movie or even a 604 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:27,440 good horror book or a criminal detective 605 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:29,090 fiction show you have a choice of 606 00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:31,100 dialing in or darling out of that and we 607 00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:33,020 know it's fiction and horror and playing 608 00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:35,000 whistle but when you start capitalizing 609 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:37,820 on this it just gets so so wrong but she 610 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:39,770 has a go at skeptics interesting along 611 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:42,410 with what they say she says skeptics and 612 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:44,030 a lot of these psychic detectives have 613 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:46,190 the same things that if we don't believe 614 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:48,590 in an afterlife and we don't believe in 615 00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:50,390 not life after death well i can't help 616 00:22:55,090 --> 00:22:53,720 you well not all skeptics believe that 617 00:22:57,220 --> 00:22:55,100 and a lot of them have their own private 618 00:22:59,560 --> 00:22:57,230 thoughts anyhow and to package all 619 00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,570 skeptics in the same thing is again by 620 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:01,280 her very very convenient to put us all 621 00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:03,110 in the same spot is very convenient and 622 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:05,000 then especially when she's on the chat 623 00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:06,530 chosen whatever she can write off the 624 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:08,600 skeptics in one sentence one sentence 625 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:10,730 and then that undoes it all but i'll 626 00:23:14,169 --> 00:23:12,169 throw back a few things that are for 627 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:14,179 firstly she loves stirring words of the 628 00:23:19,779 --> 00:23:16,700 skeptics she used the words skeptics 629 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:19,789 have vile repelling energies and that's 630 00:23:24,999 --> 00:23:23,210 why page 116 of her book I do how I had 631 00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:25,009 a violin repelling energy I well and 632 00:23:29,379 --> 00:23:26,480 have another shower she talks about 633 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:29,389 another famous skeptic on a page 634 00:23:35,379 --> 00:23:33,049 100 and she says so this is nice name 635 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,389 calling so that's good and she says out 636 00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:37,460 of page 112 and I cannot believe 637 00:23:42,970 --> 00:23:39,830 proofreaders didn't fix this up she says 638 00:23:48,509 --> 00:23:42,980 remember it was skeptics who insisted 639 00:23:50,619 --> 00:23:48,519 that the world was flat oh yeah well 640 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:50,629 Alison I think you've got that one 641 00:23:56,739 --> 00:23:52,460 hundred percent the wrong way around it 642 00:23:58,690 --> 00:23:56,749 was said well was rap at least the 643 00:24:02,529 --> 00:23:58,700 skeptics questioned if the world is flat 644 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:02,539 but yes yes I ought page 112 she screams 645 00:24:07,419 --> 00:24:04,850 that skeptics are such bad nasty people 646 00:24:09,070 --> 00:24:07,429 and remember and I'm just turning to the 647 00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:09,080 page here because that's from my memory 648 00:24:16,779 --> 00:24:12,980 I see ya like a good book here at 112 649 00:24:18,580 --> 00:24:16,789 she says yes these of us and angry 650 00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:18,590 skeptics are the same people who 651 00:24:23,109 --> 00:24:20,869 insisted the world was flat angry 652 00:24:24,879 --> 00:24:23,119 skeptic angry skeptics the same people 653 00:24:28,299 --> 00:24:24,889 is the world was flat well Alison that 654 00:24:30,249 --> 00:24:28,309 is wrong so funny it would be funny if 655 00:24:32,109 --> 00:24:30,259 it wasn't so sad she also claimed that 656 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:32,119 you know Randy with his million dollars 657 00:24:37,389 --> 00:24:35,330 didn't exist and she can't see that it 658 00:24:40,570 --> 00:24:37,399 exists etc etc and while I was doing my 659 00:24:42,999 --> 00:24:40,580 interviews I went actually to the 990 660 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:43,009 section of the IRS which is the Internal 661 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:45,710 Revenue Services paperwork for where 662 00:24:50,379 --> 00:24:48,230 they keep all nonprofit organizations 663 00:24:52,269 --> 00:24:50,389 paperwork and tax returns and I went to 664 00:24:55,149 --> 00:24:52,279 the tax return i looked up james Randy's 665 00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:55,159 form and it has James Randi and his his 666 00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,830 yearly salary there and I think it's 667 00:25:02,049 --> 00:25:00,320 section 30 or 60 for water there's the 668 00:25:03,789 --> 00:25:02,059 moon in dollars sitting there yeah well 669 00:25:05,499 --> 00:25:03,799 anyone to climb out so she claimed its 670 00:25:08,379 --> 00:25:05,509 what wasn't real accepted as her answers 671 00:25:10,539 --> 00:25:08,389 to are they all claim that they all say 672 00:25:11,979 --> 00:25:10,549 they all say that it's not real and I 673 00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:11,989 champion him on but it's there and 674 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,820 illegal and stock is illegal and she's 675 00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:15,440 also said there now he'll be broke if it 676 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:17,149 if you know I proved him wrong etc and I 677 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:18,710 said well for the radio would it be as I 678 00:25:21,639 --> 00:25:20,090 said no he'll still get his paid because 679 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:21,649 there's paycheck there for every year 680 00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:24,550 and plus you'll even be more famous 681 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:26,560 yeah she's been living this story since 682 00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:29,230 she was 6 years old and she's exposed to 683 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:31,300 family to it and she has Fame and 684 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:32,740 television shows she is married to this 685 00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:35,230 story completely so whatever we come up 686 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:37,420 as skeptics here we're not going to 687 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:38,980 actually ever convince her or the 688 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:41,170 hardcore but we will be able to maybe 689 00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:43,000 attack and crumble some of her major 690 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:44,620 claims to the rest of the thinking 691 00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:46,270 public she's not a criminal profile 692 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:48,040 she's not as research medium she has not 693 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:50,410 solved any cases nor work with law 694 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:52,450 enforcement has most like addictive 695 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:54,130 she's based it on tithing the most 696 00:25:58,620 --> 00:25:55,900 vulnerable people and she has no answers 697 00:26:00,240 --> 00:25:58,630 for the skeptics if that answers a few 698 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,250 questions for you Richard oh that's 699 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:02,320 fantastic well mark thanks for coming 700 00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:04,090 it's been great to talk with you I hope 701 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:06,160 our listeners got a lot of interesting 702 00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:08,530 benefit out of them now as a absolute 703 00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:13,360 pleasure Richard you've been listening 704 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:16,620 to the skeptic zone visit our website at 705 00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:20,530 wwc a petting zoo TV for comments 706 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:36,560 skin